[users at bb.net] buildbot 0.9.0 rc3

[Ryan Schmidt]

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Pierre Tardy <tardyp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ryan
> 
> nine.buildbot.net has indeed been a mess as we weren't really using it for something real

FYI it's currently displaying a "502 Bad Gateway" error.


> I am currently changing that and it is currently being setup with buildbot_travis.
> It shows you roughly what nine looks like, but really the setup might be very different depending on your configuration.
> 
> buildbot travis is an experimental buildbot setup that focuses on having the UI directly in github or gerrit rather than in buildbot itself, this is why it might be a little bit confusing.
> People are supposed to be pointed at buildbot only when there is a failed build, and directly in the problematic page.

That's an interesting idea but probably doesn't fit our current and planned Buildbot usage.


> - The deploy panel is a featureof buildbot travis that we dont use in this instance, this is why it shows nothing. It is first as this is indeed the main page where people are supposed to go with buildbot travis if they are going to the UI directly.
> 
> - The settings page you are seing are indeed administration pages (again from buildbot_travis), I think this is indeed a good idea to put them separately in an admin
> and the settings, thanks for the feedback.
> - console view is not enabled in buildbot_travis, because it is not adapted to the buildbot_travis process (waterfall view shall be disabled as well actually)

Since it sounds like nine.buildbot.net is not representative of what Buildbot 0.9 actually looks like, are there any public production Buildbot 0.9 installations that I can look at?


> - page load time is indeed a problem especially if you have high latency to the master, this is something people usually dont see as they are often located near the master. this is why this problem was not fixed for the 0.9.0 release. 

That's not the case for us; we're an open source project with developers located throughout the world.


> The migration guide is hosted within the documentation and is pointed to at the first paragraph of the release note:
> http://buildbot.readthedocs.io/en/latest/manual/installation/nine-upgrade.html#upgrading-to-nine
> 
> I would suggest to try to do the migration for your master.cfg and see how it feels for you own setup.

I currently don't have time to do that. Are there at least any screenshots showing off typical versions of the various Buildbot 0.9 screens? Even better would be a set of before-and-after screenshots showing how the various Buildbot 0.8 screens look now in 0.9.


> Dont hesitate to give some feedback again.
> 
> Regards
> Pierre
> 
> 
> Le mer. 14 sept. 2016 à 22:21, Ryan Schmidt <buildbot at ryandesign.com> a écrit :
> 
> > On Sep 14, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Pierre Tardy <tardyp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am very happy to announce the release of buildbot 0.9.0 rc3.
> >
> > Thank you for helping testing rc1 and rc2.
> >
> > Only one rarely seen user visible bug was fixed for this release.
> > So I expect it to be the last rc, and probably be pushed as is as the v0.9.0.
> >
> > The most notable change is a new feature though.
> >
> > As already discussed in the mailing list and weekly meetings, we added an opt-out usage data collection to buildbot, so that we can have a better idea of what our installation base looks like.
> >
> > Even if you are not affected by the fixes, please upgrade to rc3, so that we can release buildbot nine with the confidence that it has been installed on a fair amount of systems.
> >
> > As usual, you can find the release notes for complete list of what's new.
> > http://buildbot.readthedocs.io/en/latest/relnotes/0.9.0rc3.html
> >
> > And also the relnotes for nine as a whole compared to eight:
> > http://buildbot.readthedocs.io/en/latest/relnotes/0.9.0.html
> >
> > Don't forget to use the latest version of pip
> > pip install -U pip
> >
> > The packages are available on pypi, but as they are release candidates, you have to use the --pre option of pip.
> >
> > pip install -U 'buildbot[bundle]==0.9.0rc3' --pre
> >
> > Please continue the great move and adopt buildbot nine!
> 
> I guess I'm surprised Buildbot 0.9 has reached RC stage. I've been checking http://nine.buildbot.net for awhile, and I've never seen anything familiar there. I kept hoping it would change to look more like 0.8 as development continued, but that doesn't appear to have happened. It does not resemble the 0.8 installation we've been using for years in any way that I can see. I don't know how to use this, and I can't imagine asking my users to figure out this interface either. I don't see a grid view or a console view. The waterfall view doesn't load properly in Safari unless I then resize the window, and even then I don't know what to do with it. It seems to take 2 or 3 clicks to get information that was available at a glance with 0 clicks on 0.8. The left navigation is confusing. (What's "Deploy", why's it first, and why doesn't it have anything in it?) Pages take a long time to load, with all of the asynchronous data they're loading. 6 out of the 7 settings screens say "You shall not pass!" "need admin rights to access administration panels" (I wasn't trying to access administration panels; I was trying to explore the settings.)
> 
> Even if I did want to upgrade, the migration guide is empty, so I don't know how: http://trac.buildbot.net/wiki/NineMigrationGuide
> 
> I'm just very confused by the direction Buildbot is taking in 0.9.
>